Posted on October 16, 2011 at 6:32 pm

Relative of Shlomo Wiesel says he died in 1943, not at Buchenwald

By Carolyn Yeager

 

 

 

 

 

Elie Wiesel’s father Shlomo in 1942, according to Hilda Wiesel.

Is he 39 or 48 years old?

 

 

 

A report in the Yad Vashem Shoah Victims database by Yaakov Fishkovitz contradicts Elie Wiesel’s story about his father’s death.

Yaakov (Jacob) Fishkowitz filled out a death form in 1957 for his cousin Shlomo Wiesel, shortly after Yad Vashem first began its “Central Database of Shoah Victims Names.”1 He also filled out a form for Shlomo’s mother Nisel Basch Wiesel, his aunt. The cousins shared a maternal grandfather, Moshe Basch.

Yaakov was the son of Mentza Basch, daughter of Moshe, and Fishel Fishkovitz. Yaakov recorded Shlomo’s date of birth as 1903, which is much later than has been assumed, making Elie Wiesel’s father only 40 years old when he died! However, since Wiesel himself was 14 or 15 years old in 1943 this makes a lot more sense for an Orthodox Hasidic father-son. I will examine this further on in this article.

As seen in the two Yad Vashem Shoah Victim reports below—one by Fishkovitz and the other by Elie Wiesel—Yaakov spells the last name as both Wiesel (German) and Vizel (Roumanian). The German ‘W’ is pronounced as the English ‘V;’ similarly with s and z. He also gives both the formal name Salomon and its casual form Shlomo. Elie, on the other hand, spells his father’s name as Vizel and his own name as Eli Vizel, dropping the ‘e’ in his first name that he adopted for his post-war identity.

Shlomo’s children have never or seldom used the formal ‘Salomon’ for their father, but they do agree that Eleizer (or Leizer) and Nisel were his parents and that he was born in Sighet; that he was married and operated a store. Yaakov uses the word “merchant” while Elie uses “shop owner.”  Elie adds his mother’s name, Sara Feig, but leaves his father’s date of birth blank, while also giving an incorrect date for his death according to his own book, Night.

The details from the forms (the form itself is shown in upper left corner), are translated into English from the Yiddish that was used by Elie and partially by Yaakov to fill out the forms. However, the dates can be read. The first one is by cousin Fishkovitz in 1957; the second one by son Elie in 2004, almost 50 years later.

 

 

 

(Click on forms to see a larger, full image.) Notice that each submitter fills in what he knows or believes to be important. Yaakov knew the year of his cousin’s birth; it may have been close to his own.  Elie did not know, or doesn’t want us to know. He has never written it or given that information to an interviewer. This is important, but even more important is that Yaakov says Shlomo died in 1943 in Sighet*, the year before the deportation of the Jews of Sighet! This changes the entire narrative. [*Correction was made in a later article:  it actually says Shlomo lived in Sighet during the war; he died in a labor camp in 1943.]

What evidence do we have for Shlomo’s age?

In Elie Wiesel’s Night (“a true story, every word is true”) Eliezer’s father answers “fifty” when asked his age by a friendly Jew when they first arrive at Auschwitz in May 1944. Eliezer answers that he is fifteen years old. The Jew tells them to lower and raise their ages respectively, which they do. (Even so, they’re put in a line that takes them right up to the edge of a pit of fire before they are turned away.) Because of this, Shlomo Wiesel has generally been assumed to have been born in 1894, although that has never been verified. For example, Wikipedia does not give a date.

In Hilda Wiesel’s Shoah Foundation testimony, she shows the photo of her father that is at the top of this article, and says it was taken in 1942. Does he look like he is 39 in this photo (born in 1903) or does he look to be 48 (because he was 50 in 1944)? It’s impossible to tell for sure, but he looks like a youngish man to me.

As we know, there are no records at Auschwitz-Birkenau or Buchenwald for a Shlomo Wiesel that fits his profile. Nor are there any for Elie Wiesel and his profile. The records that are used by the “Wiesel-in-Buchenwald” supporters are those for Abraham Viezel (also spelled Vizel or Wiesel), born Oct. 10, 1900 in Sighet, who died at Buchenwald on Feb 2, 1945. He died in Block 57; the death report was made out on Feb. 3, the following day. Yet Elie Wiesel claims in Night and elsewhere his father died on Jan. 28 and was carted off to the cremation ovens immediately, fully 5 days before Abraham’s death took place.

Death record for Abraham Viesel at Buchenwald, brother of Lazar Wiesel whose Auschwitz # was A7713

This Abraham Viesel is the same Abram Wiesel who was the older brother of Lazar Wiesel, according to Myklos Gruener, who says the two brothers had become his comrades at Auschwitz-Birkenau after the death of his father. (Auschwitz records exist for Myklos, his father and two brothers, as well as for Lazar and Abram Wiesel, including each of their numbers.) Abram’s Auschwitz tattoo number A7712 is written by hand on this death record, as well as his Buchenwald number, 123488.

If Shlomo died in 1943, this would explain why there is no death record for him at Buchenwald. Are there any other convincing reasons to go along with the 1943 date? Yes. In Night and in All Rivers Run to the Sea, we’re told of Shlomo’s resistance work helping Jews with legal problems and those who needed to flee from one place to another. He had been jailed for it, something mentioned by both Elie and Hilda.  Elie characterized his father’s tireless efforts as “out of a loving, helpful heart.” But was his father, and his family, more radical than we’ve been led to believe? Was Shlomo’s life a dangerous one? Were there disputes about money—money collected to buy weapons, or for passage to safe places? Or perhaps there was anger within the Jewish community over who was being helped and who wasn’t?

In All Rivers, on page 4, Wiesel writes that as a child and adolescent he “saw his father rarely […] The Sabbath was the only day I spent with him.” “Often preoccupied,” his father spent the week in his little grocery store and at the “community offices where he worked to assist prisoners and refugees threatened with expulsion.” Expulsion from where? By whom? What were the community offices? Wiesel names Sighet as a “sanctuary for Jews fleeing …since 1640.”

What knowledge can we piece together about Shlomo?

Shlomo was a preoccupied man. He ran a store. He took in deliveries. He may have been involved in smuggling – guns, people, documents. Smuggling was a way of life among the Zionists. Jews began going to Palestine long before Elie Wiesel was born. There were different factions of Jews—the Haganah was formed in 1920 to guard Jewish settlers in Palestine. In 1931 the Irgun splintered off and there was sometimes bitter enmity between the two organizations all the way up to 1948. The Irgun policy was that every Jew had a right to enter Palestine and it became the major smuggling arm for the Zionists. The Irgun worked in Poland, for example, in the 30’s to bring Jews into Palestine with the cooperation of secret agencies of the Polish government. (See “The Role of the Irgun in Central and Eastern Europe” at http://www.eliewieseltattoo.com/elie-wiesel-and-the-mossad-part-ii)

It is fully possible that as things heated up in 1943, Shlomo got caught in some crossfire — perhaps was killed by the Hungarian police. If this were the case, Elie, as only son, may have been sent to France for safety before the deportations of Spring 1944. Further, if this were the case (a story as good as any other), Elie was an Irgun-supporting Zionist from an early age, which fits everything we know about him.

On page 8 of Night, Wiesel wrote:

In those days [Spring 1944] it was still possible to buy emigration certificates to Palestine. I had asked my father to sell everything, to liquidate everthing, and to leave.  ‘I am too old, my son,’ he answered. ‘Too old to start a new life. Too old to start from scratch in some distant land …’

If he were only 40, that is not credible. Even at 50 he was not too old, unless he really didn’t believe the worst would happen and that things would right themselves. His children were certainly not too old and he would have them to look after him in his old age. Something doesn’t add up here. This “good man” doesn’t protect his family because he feels too tired at age 40-50 to go somewhere new? He allows them all to be taken prisoner because he can’t see what’s coming, even though he’s spent his adult life helping Jewish prisoners and refugees? Wiesel often fails to give convincing explanations for why events happen as they do in his writings. I have noticed it again and again, and commented on it. It seems to me to be a combination of laziness and lack of true inventiveness. He has admitted that he was rather spoiled and lazy in his childhood and youth; one doesn’t see any evidence of change.

The age of the typical Hasidic bride and groom

Back to the question of the appropriateness of Sholmo Wiesel being age 40 in 1943-44. The Hasidic sect sees the ideal age of marriage for a male as 18-21. They encourage the bride and groom to be close in age. Taken from the New York Times article on an important Hasidic wedding:

What they saw was a marital merger of two leading international Hasidic dynasties, the Bobovers of the BoroughParkneighborhood in Brooklynand the Satmars of Williamsburg. The 19-year-old groom is a grandson of the Bobover Grand Rabbi, Shlomo Halberstam. The 18-year-old bride is a granddaughter of the Satmar Grand Rabbi, Moses Teitelbaum. The two grand rabbis are the descendants of the first Hasidic leaders in Europe. They are also first cousins and close friends.2

Another Hasidic wedding is announced, this one in Israel.

Even longtime Hassidim are raising their eyebrows: A 16-year-old young man is engaged to his 15-year-old second cousin, both great grandchildren from “Hassidei Vizhnitz.” Thousands of members of the Vizhnitz Hassidic sect, one of the largest and wealthiest in the world, are expected to attend the festive wedding ceremony, which will take place in approximately another year.3

If Shlomo were born in 1903, as Yaakov Fishkowitz has it, he would have been 25 years old in September 1928 when his third child and first son Eliezer was born. His first child Hilda was born in August 1922, when he would have been 19 years old. Perfect for a Hasidic man!

On the other hand, if he were born in 1894, he was already 34 when Elie was born, and 28 when he had his first child. That is too old and is not in the tradition of his community! That may be why Wiesel avoids mentioning his father’s date of birth; it does not fit the story of Night, which he adopted as his own. Here’s a thought: Is there an Hasidic law or tradition that forbids lying about one’s parents and other ancestors? Probably, which can be the reason he says so little about his father, mother and grandparents as far as checkable data goes.

Is it not strange for the ‘High Priest of Memory’ to be so negligent in recording the history of his family? He only filled out the Yad Vashem form (with a camera aimed at him) at the behest of that institution, as an encouragement to others to do the same. That was admitted in the TV publicity given it. Plus it is the only Shoah victim form he filled out. His mother and sister are not in the Yad Vashem Shoah Victim database! He says it’s because he’s written about them in books, so the bare facts on a form are not necessary. But in his books, he doesn’t give dates or checkable details. Why has no family member recognized the death at Auschwitz of Sara Feig Wiesel and her daughter Tzipora by filling out a form?

Is Elie Wiesel’s story about his family and their fate entirely or just partially false?

We know Wiesel’s story about his family and youth to be full of falsehoods. His book Night has been lampooned as much as it has been praised because of the contradictions and inappropriate descriptions of people and events it contains. He has long been described as a fabricator, an exaggerator, a false witness. However, here at Elie Wiesel Cons the World our mission is to expose every lie, not just the most obvious of them. So we dig deeper.

Elie Wiesel has every reason to want his father with him at Buchenwald since the story in Night, which started out as fiction, is about a son and his father. The story also says his mother and younger sister perished on their first night in Birkenau. But if Shlomo died in 1943 and never went to Auschwitz, did any of his immediate family go? Remember, there are no records for any of them there.

Could Elie Wiesel have known in 1955 how huge the Holocaust Industry would become? No, no one did. Would Elie Wiesel in 1958  have anticipated the intense scrutiny of this book Night, or his own star status in which he himself would come under intense scrutiny? No, again. Elie Wiesel didn’t prepare for the kind of future he turned out to have, so he’s been “playing it by ear” ever since—and using his untouchable Jewish holocaust survivor status with which to protect himself. His sisters and other family members and friends were silenced to keep the ‘wrong’ information from slipping out. Journalists were obviously ordered to stay away from them!

But, perhaps unbeknownst to their inner circle, there lay two victim reports with vital information relating to Elie Wiesel in the Yad Vashem databank filled out in 1957 by Yaakov Fishkovitz, one of which is displayed in this article. The other is for his aunt—Shlomo’s mother—Nisel Basch Wiesel, stating she was born in 1881 and died in 1944 at Auschwitz (in her 63rd year). Another form for Nisel was filled out in 1999 by her grandson, Eliezer Shlomovitz, living in Los Angeles CA. He gives her date of birth as 1880 with a question mark. I will write about Nisel Wiesel in a separate article, but for now I want to establish that if Nisel were born in 1880-81 she would have been only 13 years old when she gave birth to her son Shlomo, if he were born in 1894. Since Shlomo was not her first child, but perhaps even her fifth or sixth (undetermined as of now), this is clearly impossible. If Shlomo were born in 1903, it is doable.

Thus, we have every reason to doubt everything about Elie Wiesel’s story of his family history and their concentration camp credentials. I will continue with this fascinating and very important examination of the Wiesel extended family in an upcoming article. Stay tuned.

Endnotes:

1.  Yad Vashem was established in 1953 as the official “remembrance authority” (for the Jewish Shoah) by the Knesset, Israel’s parliament. At that time, Jews were told that all Jews who died at the hands of the Nazis or their accomplices during the years of Nazi power, i.e. 1933-1945 could be considered Shoah victims. This includes Jewish soldiers serving in the Soviet and Polish armies, who were taken prisoner and died in Nazi POW camps.  Jews who survived until the liberation but died within six months of liberation are also considered Shoah victims.

Another category is ‘Shoah survivor’ All those living in Nazi-occupied territories from 1933 onward could be considered victims of the Nazis, including French, Bulgarian and Romanian Jews, and even those who went deep into the Soviet Union. Also included are “Jews who forcefully left (?) Germany in the 1930s.” Even those who went to Israel, obviously  No other group has so generously allocated ‘victim-opportunities’ to its people. This is called Chutzpah in Yiddish.  (Information taken from  http://www.yadvashem.org/wps/portal/!ut/p/_s.7_0_A/7_0_S5?New_WCM_Context=http://namescm.yadvashem.org/wps/wcm/connect/Yad+Vashem/Hall+Of+Names/Left+Links/en/3HON_FAQs)

2.  http://www.nytimes.com/1998/09/04/nyregion/a-royal-wedding-a-family-affair-two-hasidic-dynasties-unite-in-brooklyn-gala.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm  Further of interest: The Satmars originated in Hungary and the Bobovers came from Poland. […] Because Hasidic families often have 10 or more children, the two groups now have tens of thousands of followers in Brooklyn and more around the world.

3.  http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/133130  “We have a tradition of marrying at a young age, but we usually mean 19-22, although there have been occasions of marriages before the age of 18,” one Vizhnitz member told the Hebrew-language daily Yisrael HaYom. “However, marrying at the age of 15 is definitely exceptional.”

 

Please read this article next: New Information – Shlomo Wiesel dies in labor camp in 1943?

 

13 Comments to Relative of Shlomo Wiesel says he died in 1943, not at Buchenwald

  1. by lili

    On October 17, 2011 at 11:11 am

    Holy Mary Mother-We GET it-People lied constantly to push their own agendas.

    People lie. People murder. People participate in conspiracies.

    Every culture does it. So the question is:
    What do you want from this? What is your hope? Just to enlighten people that there are others that are corrupt?

    Yes. We understand. People lie.They cheat. They murder. Why do Jews think they are special in regard to the Holocaust? Other cultures still get murdered every second of every day based on constantly maintained lies.

    The only people that are “disgusted” are those that were blind and delusional as to the depths of human nature in the first place.

     

  2. by Jerzy Ulicki-Rek.

    On October 17, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    Excellent work Carolyn.
    Jerzy Ulicki-Rek

     

  3. by Robert Schmidt

    On October 17, 2011 at 9:14 pm

    I have to laud codoh and its diligence and expert research on Elie Wiesel , seems the further one digs into HOLOCAUST subject matter , the more one finds ,that not only HAVE SHOAH RESEARCHERS , not done ANY proper RESEARCH on their own subjects ,they are so lax , that they have the audacity to expect anyone gullible enough to believe THEIR, diatribe et al.
    TRUTH ….IT SEEMS ,”DOES” FEAR INVESTIGATION WITH REGARDS TO THE SHOAH .

     

  4. by Bill

    On October 18, 2011 at 3:18 am

    The part about how inclusive the criteria is to be labeled as a “victim” is new for me. I had always wondered why there were so many survivors if the story we are told, that practically everyone who entered the camps were exterminated immediately upon arrival, were true. How could there be so many survivors? Now that answer is much clearer.

    Also, so many of the stories survivors tell don’t seem to add up, just as Elie Wiesel’s doesn’t seem to add up. Even today we see anti-semitic hate crimes turning out to be false, with the victim turning out to be the culprit themselves. There certainly appears to be a long history of false narratives in survivor and victim stories.

    An excellent and informative article. Keep up the good research. If the Holocaust is truly a false story, it should be exposed as such.

     

  5. by Dan

    On September 6, 2015 at 3:21 am

    A quick research shows that there are a few inaccuracies that put into question the entire premises of the thesis:
    The Yad Vashem form filled by Yaakov Fishkowitz in 1957 says in Hebrew that 1) Shlomo Wiesel died in 1943 in a labor camp and 2) That he had 2 children.
    The form filled by Elie Wiesel in 2004 says in Hebrew that 1) Shlomo Wiesel died on 27.1.45 in Buchenwald and 2) He had 4 children.
    Shlomo’s birth place and parents’ name are the same in both forms, so it does seem likely to be the same person.
    Elie Wiesel had 3 sisters, one of which died in the holocaust, but 2 of them survived. It seems that Yaakov Fishkowitz was not very well informed and only knew general information about his cousin but not all the facts.
    Carolyn writes:
    1) That “Yaakov says Shlomo died in 1943 in Sighet”. That is a lie.
    2) That “It is fully possible that as things heated up in 1943, Shlomo got caught in some crossfire”. This is not compatible with Yaakov’s report that Shlomo died in a labor camp.
    3) That “Elie gives an incorrect date for (Shlomo’s) death according to his own book, Night”. The two dates are off by one day (27.1.45 in the form vs. 28.1.45 in the book). To be accurate by 24-48 hours seems to me quite impressive given the conditions.
    4) “The Hasidic sect sees the ideal age of marriage for a male as 18-21.” Another fact: The average age of first marriage in the United States was 20 for women and 22 for men in 1960. Does that prove anything? There are of course exceptions. Shlomo was no son or grandson of some Hasidic dynasty rabbi, as in Carolyn’s examples.
    5) “Smuggling was a way of life among the Zionists”. Why don’t you simply say what you want to say: Jews are a pain in the ass.
    I’m happy to be a pain in your ass. Thanks.

     

  6. by Carolyn

    On September 7, 2015 at 2:16 pm

    Alright Danny-boy.

    Carolyn writes:
    1) That “Yaakov says Shlomo died in 1943 in Sighet”. That is a lie.

    It says right on Yaakov’s form Sighet and 1943 for death. It’s outlined in red.

    2) That “It is fully possible that as things heated up in 1943, Shlomo got caught in some crossfire”. This is not compatible with Yaakov’s report that Shlomo died in a labor camp.

    Yes, it is. Crossfire can certainly take place in and around camps. The camp he would have been in in 1943 is simply a local labor detail or camp, not a large concentration camp. If Shlomo was active in helping the resistance, as Elie said and wrote, then he could have been detained by the Hungarian authorities and put to work during his detention. He and his brother together. Thus he could have gotten shot while in or near Sighet. We only have Elie’s word that he died in 1945 because there are no documents at Buchenwald for Shlomo Wiesel.
    Prof. Kenneth Waltzer said the records for Abram Wiesel were Shlomo’s and he would prove it. That was several years ago. He still has not come out with his book or the position paper he said he had written about it. Where is it? Who is the liar?

    3) That “Elie gives an incorrect date for (Shlomo’s) death according to his own book, Night”. The two dates are off by one day (27.1.45 in the form vs. 28.1.45 in the book). To be accurate by 24-48 hours seems to me quite impressive given the conditions.

    C’mon. It IS incorrect. This is his beloved father and he says he was there when he died and it was engraved in his memory. Fact is, he didn’t remember at Yad Vashem what date he had finally settled on in his book.

    4) “The Hasidic sect sees the ideal age of marriage for a male as 18-21.” Another fact: The average age of first marriage in the United States was 20 for women and 22 for men in 1960. Does that prove anything? There are of course exceptions. Shlomo was no son or grandson of some Hasidic dynasty rabbi, as in Carolyn’s examples.

    Shlomo and his bride were both Hasidic. What is done in the US for non-Jews is irrelevant. You are really grasping at straws here for something to fault me on. But my point on this is solid.

    5) “Smuggling was a way of life among the Zionists”. Why don’t you simply say what you want to say: Jews are a pain in the ass.

    Because I don’t want to say that. I do want to point out that smuggling WAS a common practice among Zionists, which Shlomo Wiesel was. They smuggled weapons, false papers, people, money … on an ongoing basis. Jews are much more than just a pain in the ass; they are a threat to the well-being of every other nation in which they reside.

    Thanks for drawing attention to this article. It’s a good one, and I hope everyone who reads your comment will read or re-read the article.

     

  7. by Carolyn

    On September 21, 2015 at 5:57 pm

    Hey again Dan. Since this article was published on Oct. 16, 2011 — four years ago! — I didn’t remember until later that I had written a follow-up article on Feb. 2, 2012 correcting my understanding of Fishkowitz’s “page of testimony”. But there it is. Whatever Fishkowitz meant by “a work camp”, it was certainly not Buchenwald.

    I suspect that you had seen that other article too and therefore thought you might be able to trap me, since several years have passed from the time I wrote it. I really don’t know what point you are trying to make other than to make me out to be wrong. Well sorry, I caught my own mistake long before you did! :-)

    I should have noted the corrected article at the time (as I just did now) but it was one of those oversights. So for that reason I’m glad you brought it to my attention. Now let me ask you a question: Do you think Elie Wiesel has told the truth about his father vis a vis the “holocaust?”

     

  8. by Dan

    On September 24, 2015 at 2:07 am

    Hello,

    Why did you not publish my previous comments?

    I had not read your other follow-up article.

    Yes I believe Elie Wiesel told the truth because there is no evidence otherwise.

    On the other hand, you are spreading false and misleading information. Even in your follow-up article, I can’t see evidence other than you are trying really hard to prove your point, but you’ve got nothing.

    The problem today is, false misleading information is being published, and a small erratum is later published. Unfortunately the harm has already been done.

    As I wrote in my previous comments (that you did not publish), you clarified exactly who you are: an ethnic German who thinks that ‘Jews are a threat to the well-being of every other nation in which they reside’.

    Why do you need so badly to catch the Jew doing something wrong?

     

  9. by Carolyn

    On September 25, 2015 at 7:57 pm

    Reply @ Dan:

    Why did you not publish my previous comments?

    Because some were the same as your original comments and others were not applicable to the subject.

    I had not read your other follow-up article.

    I don’t quite believe you because I don’t think your know Yiddish, but since it can’t be proved one way or the other, your denial is a moot point.

    Yes I believe Elie Wiesel told the truth because there is no evidence otherwise.

    Haha, this entire website of well over 100 articles is full of evidence, and others have produced evidence also. I asked you whether you “thought” so, not whether you “believed” so. There’s a difference. By saying you believe it,. you’re showing that you’re not a serious person. Not much that Elie Wiesel has told and written holds together at all when examined. Examination is something you haven’t done
    .

    On the other hand, you are spreading false and misleading information. Even in your follow-up article, I can’t see evidence other than you are trying really hard to prove your point, but you’ve got nothing.

    If on this entire website, the only thing you have found to dispute is that one understandable error in interpreting the Yiddish “page of testimony” — which was corrected within a couple of months — then you are the one who has nothing. You depended on me telling you that it was an error, I’m sure, to begin with. NO ONE would have even known, if I had not announced it, including you.
    As to what I’ve got? — there are discrepancies in the testimonies of Jews about their friends and relatives. Anything that is said is accepted by the “authorities.” These pages of testimony are the basis of Yad Vashem’s count of how many Jews died in the shoah. The credibility of Yad Vashem is damaged thereby. Yad Vashem is a hoax — and it memorializes a hoax.

    The problem today is, false misleading information is being published, and a small erratum is later published. Unfortunately the harm has already been done.

    That is not “the problem today.” Elie Wiesel and the entire “holocaust” establishment lies outrageously and never prints a correction! If they would correct themselves when wrong it would be an improvement.

    As I wrote in my previous comments (that you did not publish), you clarified exactly who you are: an ethnic German who thinks that ‘Jews are a threat to the well-being of every other nation in which they reside’.

    Yes, they are and that can be proven by the fact that Jews want to abolosh free speech, especially about Jews, wherever they reside. They try to enact cruel laws that will put non-Jews in prison for expressing their opinions. Only Jews do this. You don’t have an answer for it. Maybe Jews should not insist on living among people who don’t really like them – when they’re not the native people, but an alien people. They have Israel, right? For that very reason.

    Why do you need so badly to catch the Jew doing something wrong?

    I don’t need to, but it just happens as long as I’m awake and using normal critical judgement. Why don’t you come up with something specific? The only specific you’ve brought to this exchange is what I gave you in that Page of Testimony. Of yourself, you know nothing. I suspect that you are trolling for Israel and don’t really have any factual knowledge.

     

  10. by Ben

    On June 1, 2017 at 4:19 am

    Oh? Wikipedia doesn’t have Shlomo’s age? Holy fuck, well if Wikipedia (the most reliable source in the world) doesn’t have Shlomo’s age then Wiesel MUST have been lying from the start.

    Why are you so intent on “disproving” Wiesel’s account of the Holocaust? It’s not going to change anything. The Holocaust happened and we need to learn from it – not deny it because we don’t have the guts to admit that the human race has committed several atrocious genocides.

     

  11. by Carolyn

    On June 3, 2017 at 12:22 pm

    Why am I so intent on disproving Wiesel’s account of the Holocaust?
    Well, it’s just that as soon as I begin reading Night, the inanities fly in my face so fast it’s impossible not to ask: How can this be true? Now, people like you who want to believe it stifle such questions. That is, if you have ever read it which you may not have. But your poverty of intellect shows in that you offer nothing to answer all the facts that I presented in this article – just “It happened, accept it!” as a command.

    Everything points to Wiesel’s actual father being about 10 years younger than Wiesel presented him in Night. So why Wiesel did that is worthy of questioning and can change many things. I wrote this article when Wiesel was still alive and he could have answered it. So could others who were spokespeople for him. But he nor they didn’t. Par for the course.

    What it shows, at least, is that Night is more fiction than ‘testimony.’ When we add up all the fiction written by all the ‘surlievors’ claiming to be accurate testimony, it does put the entire ‘Holocaust’ into question.

     

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