Posted on April 10, 2011 at 9:28 am

Elie Wiesel Institute Wrong on Romanian Grave Claims

by Carolyn Yeager

 

But you’d never know it from reading the newspapers. 

Five months after the original discovery, the Romanian mass grave case seems to have reached closure. In my Nov. 17 blog, I promised you I would keep my eye on this story. Just as I had begun to think it was a dead issue, the news broke.

 

Rabbis from England and the U.S. supervise the boxes and bags containing the remains of 35 to 40 persons removed from a mass grave in Iasi, Romania in Nov. 2010. [photo credit: Daniel Mihailescu]

 

 Jewish rabbis buried the remains of 35 unidentified persons in a single grave in the Jewish cemetery in Iasi, a town in northeastern Romania. The Romanian authorities found 35 sculls in a mass grave, but the spokespersons for the Elie Wiesel National Institute for the Study of the Holocaust in Romania, which claims to have discovered the grave last year, says they can make the number at least 40 because “other remains were found.” Most news reports, however, including Haaretz, Reuters and Vos Iz Neias (an Orthodox Jewish website), reporting from Jewish sources, changed the number to 60, and even implied via confusing language that there were 100 bodies. One hundred was the estimate used by the Wiesel Institute before the grave was fully emptied.

Voice of America writes: “It is not clear how many people are represented by the remains. Estimates range from 40 to 100.   

The Reuters article stated: “We gathered here to bury remains of 60 Jews murdered 70 years ago … This moment marks a duty of ours,” Aurel Vainer, head of the Federation of the Jewish Communities in Romania told Reuters.

Vos Iz Neias said: “The memorial, dedicated to about 60 victims unearthed in a forest area near the village of Popricani …” and “Quoting witnesses, the Elie Wiesel institute said more than 100 Jews—men and women, including elderly people, and children—were buried there.”

Haaretz: “The remains of dozens of Jews killed by Romanian troops during World War II have been buried …” and “In November, a Holocaust-era mass grave containing the bodies of an estimated 100 Jews was discovered in a forest …” 

I guess these statements could be true if many of the victims were headless. The most accurate coverage we’ve seen comes from The Times of Malta.

Still not confirmed to be Jews

 At the time of the discovery, Jewish religious authorities showed up at the site and demanded that Jewish halachic law be followed by not disturbing the bones since they believed they were Jewish bones. However, as I reported previously, the chief prosecutor in Iasi, Cornelia Prisacaru, stated plainly: “We can’t confirm that they are Jews.” And that confirmation has not come. Prisacaru also said at that time: “They could be Russian or German soldiers.” Live WWII munitions were found there in addition to human remains.

The first thing the Romanian authorities did was to close off the area, then unearth all the remains and bring them to laboratories for “forensic testing.” No results have been announced; perhaps something will be forthcoming, or perhaps nothing more can be determined. If the remains had been declared by the prosecutor’s office to be Jewish bones, the Jews would surely have announced that as loudly as possible. Since they have not, we can assume for the time being that it was not determined.

However, the Jews were convinced from the moment of discovery that they are Jewish remains, based on local witness testimony of one or two individuals, and the fact that they say some bodies were clothed in “identifiable Jewish garments.”

There is no word whatsoever from the Romanian prosecutor’s office, except that the boxes and bags of remains were turned over to the official committee of rabbis from England, United States and Romania.

 Jewish rabbis preparing the grave to be covered with soil on April 4, 2011. This photo angle gives a good idea of the size of the grave.

 

Did the Jews win or lose?

The rabbis and Jewish media are putting the best face on it, but they were denied their demand that the bones remain where they were found so that they can build a memorial at the site. They insist these were Holocaust-related deaths which can be blamed on the Romanian Army, allied with the Nazi Party in Germany. The Jews have never failed in the past to persuade national governments to hand over the land where they believe Jews are buried, on which they then build an on-site Holocaust memorial, assuring that the area can never be explored further. This time, however, the Romanians said no, probably because there was:

  1. No assurance they were Jews 
  2. No assurance they were Holocaust-related

On November 23 last year, The Committee for the Preservation of Jewish Cemeteries in Europe issued a statement in London that “this was the first time ever that a national government is openly declaring its intention to proceed in the disturbance of the graves of Holocaust victims.”  All I can say is, it’s about time. Congratulations to the Romanian government.

Thus, the rabbis were forced to bury the remains in a Jewish cemetery nearby.  A single large grave was dug to hold all the boxes. Since goyim don’t visit Jewish cemeteries, the propaganda value of the “murdered Jews” is destroyed. But the rabbis did hold a ceremony and made solemn pronouncements with all the dignity of which they are capable.

 What if they are not Jews?

The question remains: Since the Jews insisted these were Jewish victims of a pogram, leaving them with no option but to bury them in the  Jewish cemetery … what if they’re not Jewish? They may be putting non-Jewish, or what they call Goyim, bones into their Jewish ground and blessing them … a terrible desecration according to their law. I believe they had no choice because image and propaganda is more important to them than their law. Their propaganda insists on Jewish victims, and their image does not allow that they might be wrong.

 

Rabbis take a pause from their labors of filling in the grave after placing the  physical remains inside. Do you think they really did it all themselves or is this what is called a “photo opportunity.”

 

Will this be the last of the Romanian mass grave story? I hope so. But if we hear more about it, we will let you know. The black-eye should go to the Elie Wiesel National Institute for the Study of the Holocaust in Romania for making exaggerated claims in the beginning, which they knew were unfounded. But you just watch—the media, and the local history (based on the Wiesel Institute), will be describing the original grave as holding 60 to 100 bodies, and anyone protesting that number will not be heard. But you can count on always getting the real story here on Elie Wiesel Cons the World website.

See original blog: Wiesel Institute in Romania says it found mass grave of Jews.

 

10 Comments to Elie Wiesel Institute Wrong on Romanian Grave Claims

  1. by Big Man

    On April 10, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    These people have such an infatuation with death – it’s quite disturbing.

  2. by Jett Rucker

    On April 11, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    A micro-Holocaust!

    Like the big one, based largely on unfounded suppositions, then grossly exaggerated.

  3. by Joe Bassett

    On April 17, 2011 at 5:08 am

    This is interesting. I’m sure when the Germans ran the Commies out thye killed a few Jews for murdering and torturing them for 20 years. But there are mass graves over there that contain hundreds of thousands of bodies. When one of these are found then people will take notice. These hige graves would be near those large cities in every country. All anyone has to do is start at the KGB headquarters and search the grounds and then learn from the locals where the KGB trucks went to at night and start the search for the mass graves with the ground sonar machine that has been created. This machine makes the work a lot easier. But someone needs to tell those Eastern Europeans that these are everywhere. There isn’t just a few graves there are hundreds of thousands.

  4. by Bill Sinclair

    On April 17, 2011 at 5:12 am

    Why doesn’t someone get those remains and have them examined? Everytime there is a grave found over there the Jews roll in. Why don’t the people call in the Red Cross and even take some of the remains and prove they are Slavs killed by the Jewish Commies? Rabbis don’t do physical work unless maybe shooting people in the back of the head. I;m sure the Talmud readers did this with no problem.

  5. by Carolyn

    On April 21, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    Mass graves, however small, come under the jurisdiction of the local police and the local prosecutor. “People” can’t just take some remains and have them tested. I don’t know if bones can be tested for nationality or race. The sculls might reveal something along those lines. But the Romanian authorities have not made any public statement about the nature of these bones, except that they did hand them over to the rabbis. I doubt anyone else wanted them.

    The good thing is they had to bury them in the cemetery. The bad thing is they lie about the number that are in there. When they put up their inevitable monument, what will it say as to how many are buried there? It will certainly say that they were victims of the Nazis and the Holocaust. They will wrest out a victory from this one way or another.

  6. by who+dares+wings

    On May 2, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    I have a copy of a VCR movie that was made by a Romanian named Velvel “Tuvi” Gutman entitled MONUMENTS OF SOAP. It’s a tour of Romanian grave yards where bars of soap purportedly made from the rendered fat of Jewish Holocaust victims are buried. The monuments in the movie are stone and they have inscriptions carved into them saying there’s a bar of soap buried beneath each one. Tuvi Gutman leads viewers on a tour of sites where soap is buried throughout Romania. He sent a free copy of his documentary to every branch library in Los Angeles because he felt it was important to get the word out about them. The violin music
    is pretty schmaltzy and there’s a soap burial scene that must have been staged, but otherwise I give it a two thumbs up for chutzpah.

  7. by Al, your pal

    On May 18, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    Taking a break?
    Was that the real caption?
    You’d think they’d at least START pushing some of that back-fill into the grave (or, more likely, apply for taxpayer funds to employ a goy to do it) before they “took a break” from their sacred labour!
    You’d also think they’d get their Wardrobe Dept schmucks to pre-dirty their shoes and clothes to add to the illusion.
    They also should have told them to take their ridiculous coats off and rolled up their sleeves. Lookat the way the putz 2nd from right is holding his shovel. He should have been air-brushed out.

  8. by Al, your pal

    On May 18, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    BTW, something I always say is that each person has their own potential path to realising the real truth about the big H.
    Some people respond well to medical/forensic type evidence, others to documentary or biographical type etc etc

    Many people, however, may not feel confident in their own ability to judge the more academic arguments, but something that every person can do is judge logistical claims using analogs in their current real world.
    For example, how many people can fit in a room of a certain size? If you filled a room so full of people that they were all crushed together with no room to move, could the people then form a pyramidal pile in centre of said room, whether writhing in the death throes of cyanide poisoning or not?
    You don’t need to be any kind of “expert” to know that this type of claim is absurd.

    If you know anybody who has ANY experience in digging, trenching, excavating, get them to look at the absurd claims about the alleged mass graves. Tell them the dimensions of the graves, what was done with the back-fill, what kind of soil, the lack of retaining or benching, the machines used, the water pumping that is never mentioned etc. Then ask them if they could recreate the claimed graves in the real world in the same way that we are told. Truth is, most of these claims defy basic physics and logistics.

  9. by vlad (from Romania)

    On May 19, 2011 at 12:29 am

    Regarding Velvel “Tuvi” Gutman’s movie …i saw it too. All the burials of soap were made in ’45-50 in Romania . It is my intention too … at least to THINK about what can i do …. since the jewish scholars themselfs are saying “no soap” ….
    We will see….

  10. by Carolyn

    On May 19, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    It just occurred to me … and no one has mentioned it yet … that the number 60 is insisted upon for the same reason the number 6 million is.

    The number given by the Romanian prosecutors office was 35 sculls. That is not a number that Jews like. They like 6. So right away Haaretz, Reuters (Jewish too) and Vos Iz Neias changed the number to 60! Interesting, wouldn’t you say?

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